Why Change is bad

Discussion in 'Devil May Cry General Discussion' started by CoolDemon, Jan 23, 2012.

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Would you have liked to see DMC games (sequel/prequels) made by Hideki and DMC 1 people?

Yes 19 vote(s) 86.4%
No 3 vote(s) 13.6%
  1. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    Now the word "Change" can mean many things.

    1) Natural changes that happen to a character. Such as Snake in Metal Gear Rising. Snake is old.

    2) Change in direction for a game. Such as a reboot, character change etc.

    I wanted to say that because i have read many times people in DmC controversy has said "Fans are afraid of change" without stating what kind of change.
    When Nero became main character of DMC 4 you never saw me go "OMG get that dumb ass out of the DMC stage!". No i did not do that so that should say that i, CoolDemon, am not afraid of change.

    Anyhow on to the main point (Change #2):
    The Legacy of Kain is a game serie that i like alot. And i like Blood Omen 2 the most. The people who made this game did a good job. And so if Blood Omen 3 is handed to developers and people who have not worked with Blood Omen 2 then i will be "Darn".

    I hope that Blood Omen 3 (rumours with high probability that it's coming) will be designed by many of the people who made Blood Omen 2.

    I liked Devil May Cry 1 alot. And every since Hideki (who by the way seems to have MAJOR role) left Capcom DMC story and characters went down drain.
    Sure Dante kept being "Dante" to certain degree, but the story that i liked alot was killed. In DMC 3 and 4 Dante became more of a cheesy cool line character.
    So when Hideki was no longer in the team i feel that the story and the presence of Dante in DMC went away.

    So i will ask this question:
    Have you ever wondered how DMC 2 story (and evetually 3 and 4) would be like with Hideki? would it be better you think?

    By the way vote in the poll.

    P.S I wish we had cutscenes of Dante and Vergil when they were kids. :/
  2. Sieghart Enuma Elish!

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    To be honest devil may cry 3 is the best in the whole series in my opinion.But DMC 1 starts it all and got 92/100 from metacritic which dmc 3 can't.So yeah i probably would like for the real creator of DMC to do the games.
  3. Tony_Redgrave TimeLord Detective

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    Sure, though DMC1 seems like a complete story to me. And I think that was the original intention. But as long as we discuss prequels like the story of Sparda etc I'm game.
  4. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    Because the sequels have been already defined?
  5. Tony_Redgrave TimeLord Detective

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    No because I feel there is no need for sequels. Dante sealed the most powerful demon ever, and he did it easily. Who else can match him? Unless they think something outrageous I can't see a good sequel. Hence why DMC2 is kinda mediocre, dmc3 is a prequel and DMC4 introduced a new main character.

    It is easier to make prequels. Leaving the Sparda-prequel out of the picture, a Dante prequel is also possible since Dante would be weaker and would have more suitable challenges against him.
  6. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    Yeah, i want a prequel more to be honest. Vergil and Dante's past.
    A thing i really like alot by Dante is how he feels about his brother. Brotherly bond for the win!
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  7. Z218 A prince of persia and a king of blades.

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    I dont think people hate change, i just think they fear it so cause there is a big chance for it to fail.

    On topic, I'm open to it but since I haven't played the original, I dont prefer it plus I do like 3.

    I so think there were avenues you could explore after 1.
  8. mrrandomlulz I have a top hat that makes me the hero of derp

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    Actually a sequel would be awesome , just have mundus return in a more
    powerful state
    plus we could have both Nero and dante and vergil and (sighs in fantasy) lady ( just
    joking guys) and trish and kyrie and most importantly name the sequel DMC 6 just to annoy fans :D
    edit: and itsuno and kamiya could work together
  9. ZeroLove Beautiful Monster

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    I like change, even the drastic ones. Sometimes that's what it takes to get what you want. I've never been a creature of habit and I would get bored if something stayed the same for too long. Devil May Cry 4 bored me, even with the changes made, so I hope the new Devil May Cry will excite me as much as DMC3 did.

    To take another game series, Soul Calibur 4 bored me, but Soul Calibur 5 looks really promising with all the new characters, the all new story mode and the grandly updated Create-a-Character mode.

    A game series that continues the same story for too long won't catch my attention without grave changes occuring throughout the series. Then I would rather the developers just ended the series and focused on something new.

    Another example is the Metal Gear Solid games. 4 games of the series was good and now the "5th" game is really different with Raiden being the main character (again) and being alot more action-packed and less of a stealth/shooter game. I love that!

    Last example is Final Fantasy. Each game in the series is different from the other with new storyplots, new characters and new (sometimes just updated) battle systems, except for a few games that have a few sequals, such as Final Fantasy X-2 and now the upcoming Final Fantasy XIII-2. It's one of the reasons I love Final Fantasy.
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    At this point i'll accept whatever they throw at me is it a prequel or a sequel as long as Dante is in the game this time and is a main character or at least playable. TBH i think they should give DMC to Kamaiya let him decide what's best for his son.... if there is someone who can really bring Devil May Cry to the next level that's him... If capcom wants DMC to sell 5ml. Kamiya is the only one who can help them accomplish that. I personally would like to see DMC5 to continue with Dante in hell.
    Also Btw i love the LOK series too and hope there is a new game in development.
  11. Donte Active Member

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    First off all i want to know WHO are those 3 people who voted for NO !! i want to check their IQ

    Platinum games+Capcom == DMC5 !!
  12. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    Prequels:
    DMC: Sparda's history
    DMC: Vergil's absence
  13. Donte Active Member

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    Vergil's absence he lost to mundus in the end of DMC 3 he had no chance since he was weakened and only had yamato his fate was sealed so there is no way or story to make a new game on him

    Sparda YES I WANT IT so bad !!
  14. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    The changes you listed aren't all drastic changes. I don't have knowledge about Final Fantasy or MGS, but in new MGS Snake is included (so story is not rebooted?). And in Soul Calibur it's a fight game, those changes are natural for it's genre.
  15. Donte Active Member

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    Basically the Reboot is a Mess IMHO

    IT Doesn't have anything which made other games so exceptional
    IT's Main lead seems weak and lackluster
    IT Sucks that's DT is just a fantrigger
    This reboot is just a funeral for DMC series all because Capcom is lazy !!
  16. ZeroLove Beautiful Monster

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    1: I was talking about my personal experiences, that sometimes I need to change something around me or about me for me to obtain what I want. For example, I have moved around alot and made certain changes about myself for personal gain, so I get most out of life the way I want it to be. However, if we look at it from a Devil May Cry point of view, Capcom needed to make some drastic changes to Devil May Cry and Dante for it to appeal to western gamers, like we've discussed in another thread. Or well, that's what Capcom thought was needed.

    2: I don't think there were alot of changes in Devil May Cry 4. Yes, you were Nero, but he was basically able to do the same stuff as Dante could with the addition of the grab move. To me, Nero is a watered down Dante. There was nothing all that exciting about it, there were no real changes to the series. It just felt same old, same old and that's what made me bored of it.

    3: What stands out about Devil May Cry is the stylish gameplay, that's the core of Devil May Cry, that's what Devil May Cry is known for, that's what made it so popular. It wasn't because of Dante or the storyplot which are both rather stereotypical and have been seen before in other media. So if they keep that throughout any incarnation they would make of Devil May Cry, then it will keep on being Devil May Cry. The rest is just aesthetic changes.

    4: Yeah, fighting games generally do that, but it works for those games. It is why games like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat have been so popular for so long. However, it is also why I grow easily bored of them, as many of the new characters just borrow the gameplay of former characters. Like mentioned above, the gameplay is the same with a few touch-ups here and there, but the real change are mere aesthetic ones. Sometimes I am lucky to see a whole new face with a whole new playstyle - like Zwei, for example.

    5: Like my points above, the new Devil May Cry has kept its core from the original Devil May Cry: the stylish gameplay, but with a few touch-ups, and the rest are just aesthetic changes, like Dante's looks and the storyplot being different, but are essentially the same. The new and the original games aren't all that different if you look at it from a wider perspective, yet people see the changes as being so drastic that it is worth raging over. But hardcore fans hate change. They want the same old, same old. So change is bad for them! My above post was, however, just me expressing how I feel about changes in general. I disagree with those who don't want change, because it is in my nature to want it or else I will get bored. That's just MY opinion.

    6: The newest Metal Gear Solid isn't a reboot, but is explaining the events before Metal Gear Solid 4 from Raiden's perspective. However, the real change lies in the gameplay style which is VERY different from the previous games. It is alot more action-based than any other Metal Gear Solid game and THAT is what excites me. Also, Raiden is my favourite character of the series and I loved his look and style in the 4th game, so I am pretty excited to play as him like that. That's why I am loving it. I am not talking about changes in the story, if that's what you thought, though from what I have read, there are some changes from the original story. Not like a reboot, but like retcons.

    7: I never said all the changes I mentioned were drastic. I started out with saying that sometimes drastic changes are needed. However, sometimes it is enough with just some minor tweaks and touch-ups here and there. Depends on the person, really. While some prefer just those minor changes to perfect something already existing, I can get bored of it in the long run and then want something drastic to happen. That's just me, that's how I am. You really don't have to agree with it, that wasn't the point of my post. Like I said above, it was just me telling how I feel about changes.

    Okay, phew, I think I went through all the points there. Your response to my above post had me confused at first, hence why I though it would be better if I responded like this, because all those different coloured responses mixed into my original post, and then something I wrote highlighted and some text turned thicker, it all kinda confused me, but I hope you can figure out what point answers to what. :P
  17. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    Do me a favor and stop wording yourself in a way that suggest DmC and DMC Dante are the same character. They are two different characters. And i hope that you speak of them both in that way.
  18. ZeroLove Beautiful Monster

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    Much easier to read your replies this time. Thank you. ^^
    I don't think I am wording myself as if the two Dantes are the same, because I don't see them as the same character. The new Dante is another version, Ninja Theory's version, of the original Dante. That's how I see it anyways. I'm sorry if that doesn't reflect on my explanations.
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    its just like that we can't just take his drastic changes its completely revamped character that he is no more acceptable or recognizable by the fans
  20. CoolDemon X will never be Y

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    I would say your contradicting yourself in this quote
    DmC Dante is a character that's shaped mostly on DMC Dante's character. But he's not DMC Dante. So how are you not saying that he's not the same character as DMC Dante when your saying Dante's looks have been changed.

    DmC Dante has not been in any other DMC game. His first time as character is in DmC. So how is his looks been changed?

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